Torch drops during cut

Hey everyone I’ve been having some more issues with my XR.

Ran 3 programs today and 2 of them had the torch height move to much during cut. 1st torch rose up during cut, went through the forum and found the small ring connector behind the torch head was somewhat loose, I took one of the rods off and pulled torch out and tightened both ring terminals.

Ran the 3rd program which was a long run and noticed that during the cut this time the torch drove the tip into the material (16ga steel) and was dragging the the tip across the metal . It did this twice in the same program but opposite sides of the part. It did it on an inside contour and then lastly on the outside contour.

I did a voltage test prior to running the longer program as well just to make sure that was correct before I started. Here are some pics

The soapstone marks on the upper right and left is where the tip took a dive, ground clamp at top corner. It messed up on the longer cuts maybe 1-1.5 feet in length before it dived.

Ruled out any EMI issues? Any new hardware plugged in recently? Or running in the background?

What’s your screen show as far as voltage when the torch dives? Technically it should maintain whatever voltage it referenced on initial pierce so I would be watching my screen (or at least screen recording) so you can catch something you may have missed.

Good catch on fixing the Z axis assembly - when it rises it’s normally because the IHS is set off which causes the torch to rise each time it’s triggered.

Only time I’ve seen/heard of it diving down is more due to EMI but I’ll let others chime in.

I didn’t catch the voltage at the time but I did take a video of the 1st part I cut. Nothing new that’s been plugged in that would have been running had my Bluetooth radio bit that’s been in the shop for years.

kinda weird it reversed itself after I tightened those ring terminals, I put 3in1 oil on the Z axis, I haven’t done that nor did it upon install until today

If you are using THC, the torch will be directed down if the voltage increases. This can be caused by increased resistance. Check your work lead to make sure there is nothing awry. Looking at this picture, there appears to be considerable strain. Perhaps with repeated abuse there are some strands broken, corrosion with the connection to the clamp or connections at the machine.

But if the torch were to dive on inside curves, one would expect the THC to be automatically turned off. If it dives at that moment, the height had been maintained appropriately because THC was reacting to what it perceived as “not enough voltage” and kept the torch higher.

Check your actual torch cut height. I did have my torch dive into the metal when I switched computers and it was causing a new setting to be necessary for appropriate cut height.

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@Sam.Y Check if it’s registering any voltage when it’s not cutting it all.

And after it dives into the sheet take a good look at fire control once the torch stops and see if there’s any voltage being registered.

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There wasn’t that much tension on the ground clamp. It just looks that way in the picture

I have less than a hour of cut time on my machine 58-59 minutes and around 500 pierces or so

I’ve been using the same computer with sheet CAM to program everything.

Everything seemed to stay at the same height throughout the program during the cut except those 2 spots in my part.

I will have to do another program and check, I stopped the cut and restarted at that line when it dived.

I’ll try to post a video of my 2nd part I was recording the FireControl voltage on this part before I adjusted the ring terminals.

This was something I drew at work a while ago and finally got it cut, the yellow “X’s” is where the torch came up off the metal and rose almost an inch. Again this was before I tightened the ring terminals.

Video of voltage

Looks like you have voltage after the torch turns off.

Unplug your limit switches and see if they’re still there.

You probably have one of them shorting out.

Your XR is old enough to be equipped with limit switches that don’t have a membrane protecting them from water ingress.

It could be that your VIM has calved as well. But check out those limit switches first

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I will check this out, I got the machine June 2023

What’s the VIM stand for? I probably will remember eventually

Voltage input module.

It’s the black box that’s plugged in between your plasma cutter and the langmuir electronic enclosure on your XR.

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Yeap. Hahaha. Thank you. Can remember all the acronyms

Ima post this to. Forgot I took pictures This is the part that messed up So in this pic this was the torch height it was cutting when I stopped it

When you do a screen recording again can you do it far enough away that we can see whether or not the IHS is coming on and off during the cut?

That cut height is way too high.

It could be that the z-axis motion sticking up on you too as well

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Yes sir will do. Sorry about that. Was watching and trying to record at same time.

I run my XR without the cover on the z-axis the three different today transparent enclosure for the circuit board.

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I find it easier to see what’s going on myself.

I usually soak down those rods on the z-axis with silicone spray.

Could you post the tap file that you’re using

So you took the cover off and then used the light to clamp on there. I like that!!!

I can try to tmrw. I’ll have to figure out how to do it

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And if you do another run try to grab a video from farther back or just do a screen recording on your computer itself. It’s a lot more information we can glean.

See you tomorrow

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Thank you guys so much for the help!!

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If you cut the perimeter BEFORE cutting the internal piece, the internal piece will become isolated from your work clamp and quit.

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You are right, but I cut all internals first then cut outside, I’ll try to cut another program over the weekend and get a recording.