Swap to fine cut consumables (generic) fail?

Planning to order OEM consumables on my next paycheck, bought generic because they got here in a day or two instead of a week or two.

swapped them out, and when I do a THC test the following happens

Fine cut:
at 40 the Torch fires for a split second then goes out.
if I bump the amps back to 45, it sputtered 4 or 5 times and stops

OEM working standard cut:
45 amps torch fires till I hit the “it’s firing” button as expected
40 amps, it does the same sputtering thing

2 questions,

  1. Is this a consumables problem or a me problem? what else should I try to get the full duration plasma ignition out of the fine cut consumables? Is there a particular piece I should suspect is the cul\prit? I did try a whole new set of consumables, and got the same result

  2. The sputtering seems to be the plasmcutter detecting a tip/ amperage miss match… how exactly does it do that , I don’t see any circuitry in the consumables. they all ok solid metal or ceramic.

Thanks ,

Eric

Are these Hypertherm style fine cut consumables? They require a specific swirl ring that is different from the standard one.

Amperage should not affect whether the torch fires or not. The pilot arc voltage should be the same for any amperage.

Air pressure and a free moving electrode are critical to creating the spark gap for ignition to occur.

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Generic consumables never end well. Just saying.

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I had that sputtering affect when I installed the consumables wrong. I can’t remember what I did but check the orientation and re-load the consumables.

And make sure that you don’t tighten too tight on the torch. Hypertherm recommends finger-tight and then back off 1/8 of a turn.

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Possible, I went back to the old non fine cut it worked, swapped to a second set of fine cut same problem, back to old good again.

That leans me away from putting it together wrong, unless I’m misunderstanding some thing pretty badly…

I will try again, just to be sure.

Unfortunately almost all my projects are just thin enough to need fine cut… Which will get here in a week.

Thanks,

Eric-

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The fine-cut consumables require a different swirl ring; the standard one will not work with fine consumables. It has a completely different part number.

You are probably installing correctly.

Can you attach your gcode files to a message so we can see the settings? (mark them so we know which is fine-cut)
Can you post a photo of the consumables? with good focus the end and inside of the nozzle.

I was just doing the thc test where it lights the torch till yo kick the button… , after I figured out there was an issue, and that reproduced the failures with fine cut above.

Thanks,

I bought the swirl ring, and installed it same as the non fine cut that worked…
I ordered using the part numbers from the chart, but generic…

I ordered hypertherm ones, i just have to wait a, week for them. Was hoping to cut some thin stuff this weekend.

Thickest I was Gonna cut is . 09 5052… Still requires fine cut.

Making armor, guess it’s the beverly sh’ear again.

Fine cut consumables were never intended for use with aluminum.

At least hypertherm doesn’t produce fine cut charts for the power Max.

I’m sure there’s a quote in the book about not using them with aluminum I’ll see if I can find it.

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It doesn’t outright say do not use them for aluminum but it’s implied by its omission in the description of its use. Where aluminum is clearly listed in the 45 amp standard consumable category.

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That makes sense since we all find that cutting aluminum messes with standard consumables.

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Good to know I was not aware of that…I’m mostly planning to cut stainless, but it’s even thinner 22-18ga 410ss

If the regular consumables are recommended for aluminum, I’ll just try cutting some with them.

Thanks,

E-

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No problems there are charts for that.

That’s what I use for cutting aluminum and I have decent enough results.

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