CutControl 25.1.2 Release

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Good afternoon,

This is a few days late as the official download for CutControl 25.1.2 released last Friday, but I wanted to make a post here to highlight some of the new features that were added to CutControl.

The first big feature that we added was Manual Data Input.

Manual Data Input:

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Shown here will be the new Program tabs, with Manual Data Input being the second tab. This will allow for the manual creation of small programs.

On the top line there will be the four safety line parameters these will be automatically included in every program that runs through the MDI tab. There will also be a M30 at the end of every program as well.

By selecting Single Block Mode you will also, just like Machining Plan, run each line separately. This will be ran just like a regular program using the Start Button on the top left.

The second feature that we added is the alert bar.

Alert Bar:

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This feature will populate with the most recent alarm that has been triggered, or any alerts such as a program being completed or an operation is started, like the Send to Front Operation.
This bar will be accompanied by a new popup that you can access with the up arrow on the far right of the bar.

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This Alerts popup will both have a currently active alarms tab that can be cleared, as well as a History tab that will only clear when CutControl is closed.

With the addition of this feature it has allowed us a way to alert the User to alarms without popups, so if desired you can suppress these popups using the new popups menu in the menu bar. Any popups suppressed will still populate to the alert bar, and if needed, stop the machine.

There are also other additions such as Auto Tool Set Safe Z-Height as well as a few much needed bug fixes.

Here is a link to the download as well: CutControl 25.1.2.3

If you have any questions about the update feel free to ask below or reach out to support@langmuirsystems.com.

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Well I decided to give it a try. Definite step forward. Much more user friendly. Could add a few more pop ups to list. The pop when starting a program after a probe calibration for example.
I did have my own issues using the tool setter. If I did not have at least 1.25" of tool stick out I would get the error message that the machine ran out of travel before triggering the tool setter. For my shortest mills I used the tool holder extension. But when I installed a drill for my next “OP” I get the error message that I triggered the tool setter too soon. I do have a 1" riser on my tool setter block. I will raise it another 3/8" tomorrow to see if I land in the sweet spot.
Would like to see a “run from line” instruction video some day. I have not been successful with that.
Appreciate the effort and am exited to see things moving in a positive direction.

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Getting better for sure, but still getting Jogging Soft Limit Reached. It is suppressed.

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Before I started work today I raised my tool setter another 3/8”. Had no issues setting end mills with short stick out. I still think more work needs to be done to address all the issues with the setter.
Reducing the pop ups is nice but for me it is the more sensible management of the work coordinate systems that makes all the difference.

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A more comprehensive popup suppression will be added in the future, soft limits were a discussion and we decided to leave them out for the moment. If there is demand to suppress them we can.

Toolset does need more work, it should work identically to the previous version. But, that clearly is not the case if you were able to auto toolset these bits before the update. It may be worth adding some configuration to the local settings. If possible, any information such as the bit length, soft limit settings, and about how far the bit was from successfully finishing the operation will be helpful.

We tested from what we offer as that is the tools that we have on hand, and settings such as the soft limits can affect the auto toolset. So just let me know if y’alls experience differs and I can test and possibly get a hot-fix out.

I’ll also talk to Jake about getting some informational CutControl videos out.

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I have a 4mm endmill with .75" stick-out. It works when I hit “calibrate with tool” but it strokes out and doesn’t complete when I hit auto tool set. I have the head in the high position and the tool setter on the plate without the spacer. I’ll add the spacer and see if it works. I don’t normally run the spacer because regular sized drill bits are too long.

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@langmuir-zachary Will you guys be updating the open source firmware repository? It looks like it hasn’t been updated in 5 years.

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It looks like the auto tool set is not functional for short tools on my machine. I cant seem to make any adjustments that will allow a tool with less than an inch and a quarter or so of stickout touch the toolsetter during the ATS routine. I have the spindle in the upper position and the riser for the toolsetter. Today I was drilling small 1/4” brackets that were clamped in the vise (roughly near the top of the jaws) and I found my zeros with the touch probe and calibrated off of that. Then my first tool was a .203” drill and it errors out about 1/4” above the setter. I tried moving safe z heights around and whatnot, but nothing would work. If I extend the drill out farther than I probably should, I could get it to touch off. It never did this with the first 25.1 version, only the second and third. I checked, I cant use any of the Langmuir 1/8” endmills at all with the new update, as there is no combination that will work except for having my work very high up above the plane of the vises.

What is the purpose of that safety being active during a toolsetter routine anyway? Just to keep it from continuously driving down in Z if the tool setter doesnt trigger (isnt connected)?

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Why didn’t you come out and say that in the first place? I probably wouldn’t have bothered with installing the new releases. How about this, I demand to suppress them…lol. Funny thing is that when I first got the machine, there was no popup on soft limits, it just politely stopped with no intervention.

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Thats weird, mine has always triggered popups at the soft limits.

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It’s an older machine. Bought in 2023. Maybe that has something to do with it.

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@nammy My machine is a 2023 unit also. With the software at that time I didn’t get any soft limit pop ups that I recall. They just started happening for me on the 24.x version of CutControl the best I can remember.

Actual feedback on 25.1: So far so good. The MDI addition has been handy in the last week being able to write a quick little program at the machine. My only ask there is that the on screen keyboard start in Caps Lock. Not a big deal, and when using the wireless pendant I keep it in Caps anyway, so it doesn’t bug me much.

So far I have not had any problems with the tool presetter, but haven’t run and stubby tools yet either.

Still the same old gripe with work coordinates resetting to G54, but that’s already on the radar.

If anything changes I’ll make an update. @langmuir-zachary keep up the good work. The most innovation we’ve seen on the software in a year+.

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You have to turn on the soft limits to get the soft limit notifications. with them turned off the machine just crashes at the end of the travel. (very bad…)

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I’ve had them on since assembly, but I don’t remember the old software back then (23.x?) giving a pop up alert every time I hit a soft limit. Best I can recall that started with 24.x versions, but I could very well be wrong.

No way I’d run the machine without soft limits on. That’s asking for some costly mishaps.

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It is a part of the probing sequences, G38.2, that you need a specific location to go to so if it doesn’t make contact with anything it will throw the alarm. The current location, should, be set to very slightly above the soft limits.

For the popup on soft limits, it’s very possible to get it suppressed along with all other limit popups, and will be in our next update.

We’ll hopefully have a much quicker turn around on this next update and I’m keeping in mind all of the suggestions y’all make both in here and the other beta posts.

Also thank you everyone for the feedback.

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Zach, I have a handful of jobs coming up where Ill have to use 1/8” and 1/4” endmills and a few screw machine drills. There isnt a way to use those on my machine with the new software now (if I want to use a touchprobe and toolsetter). Are there any adjustments that you guys know of that will allow me to use the toolsetter with smaller tooling?

Also, Ive never gone backwards with a software update. Can I go to an earlier version without too much hassle? Im afraid that might be the only option left if I cant make an adjustment.

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Shouldn’t be any hassle going back to the old version, what I would suggest in the mean time while waiting for an update is you can try moving the Z Soft limits close to the actual hard limit. This should allow you to use smaller tools. If not, then going back to the previous version should be a valid option for the time being.

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10-4, thanks, ill give it a try!

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Hey guys, I have an intermittent issue with starting programs and the first movement to the ready position the gantry just seems to shoot off in a wild direction instead of the first commanded coordinate.

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I haven’t seen that one before

Is it a random direction each time you start the program or is it the same location, just not the intended location?