Bestarc BTC800XP and CrossFire Pro

Hello all. Looking at purchasing a CrossFire Pro for my home shop. I prefer to future-proof things as much as possible, so looking at an (affordable) 80-amp plasma cutter. I don’t need to cut 1/2" or thicker plate currently, but would like to have that ability covered from the start. Nobody has ever said “Gee, I wish I bought the less-capable and cheaper tool.” :smiley:

The Bestarc BTC800XP is fairly new to the market and doesn’t have a whole lot of reviews. But, it seems to be a decent deal. As of the date of this post, Amazon has it with the machine torch for $1150.

This machine seems to be compatible. No HF start, CNC ports on the back, etc. The only unknown is what the voltage divider ratio is. The user manual doesn’t state it.

I’d appreciate your thoughts on this plasma cutter’s potential compatibility with the CrossFire Pro. Thanks!

The voltage output in the listing shows 1:1, which is raw voltage. You can use raw voltage with the Langmuir THC.

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That plasma cutter will work. But I would look into the Everlast 82i CNC package for about the same cost. It has a better machine torch and a 5 year warranty.

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Thank you, ds690. I missed that in the item description. So, with a 1:1 output, would I use the CNC ports on the cutter as intended, or would I be doing a “direct wire” from the Crossfire controller to the innards of the cutter? Thanks again.

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You would use the 2 pin voltage port on the plasma cutter to connect to the VIM(voltage input module) that comes with the THC. You may have to source a 2 pin connector, if one doesn’t come with the plasma. The wires are provided with the THC. You just need to find out which on is + and which is -. It won’t hurt to connect it wrong, it just won’t read voltage if the polarity is reversed.

As for the CNC port, you’ll only need 2 pins to fire the torch. There are a few Langmuir owners that have done YouTube videos on the BTC800DP, which probably has the same CNC port. @Richarddbeck83 has done a review of a Bestarc machine and may be able to help.

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Thanks very much, ds690! Really appreciate the detailed response and recommendations. Now I just need to decide b/t the Bestarc and the Everlast. About a $350 difference b/t the two, but the 5-year warranty is probably going to sway me to the Everlast.

As a soon to be CrossFire owner, it’s great to see such a supportive community forum. Makes purchasing a Langmuir setup that much easier.

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Yes it would work with a your table. I’m not sure what the ratio is. I will have to check when I get home. A lot of guys choose to use the raw voltage. From my limited testing it seems to be an ok machine but my gut tells me the Everlast is a better way to go. It has a lot more community support and a warranty. If it where my money I would go with the Everlast just because it has a longer track record.

I currently run the 82i on my table. Here is an example of the cut quality. https://youtu.be/k1LvtS7RrVo

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If you want to see the BTC800XP cutting 1" bar stock here is a video I made. I can’t make long term promises since I only used it a couple times. I do like that the regulator is built in to the front panel. https://youtu.be/32xXfTBBGOI?si=D4Ioi_rrS_LYEB2N

I would be more worried about the company going under than the cutter being junk. Not all of these Chinese companies last. They are a new company and if they don’t sell enough…

If you save enough money, it does have to last forever? It depends what you’re looking for. If you want longest lasting you got to spend that $$$$$ :slight_smile:

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Thank you, Richard. Appreciate the input! You make a very good point about the company being around in the future. That affects warranty and service, availability of consumables, etc.

I went with the Everlast 82i with the machine torch/CNC package. Hopefully, spending a few more bucks up front will pay off with it simply not breaking.l I tend to take very good care of my tools, so hopefully “buy once, cry once” is in play here.

I’m that guy that buys the factory cover for all the machines and uses it when the machine is not in use. My non-climate-controlled garage shop tends to get really dusty very quickly.

This will be a hobby machine for now, but that could change depending on how quickly I get the hang of the machine and designing parts and if I want to add making parts as a side hustle. I like to have options. The cost of shipping things has always been an issue. Used to build speaker boxes and other simple wooden creations, but the cost of shipping ate all my profit. But that’s another thread.

Now I just need to make space for the table. Minor details. :upside_down_face:

If anyone in the south Texas area is looking for a table saw (Grizzly 0690) hit me up.

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What did you end up with? The 82i?

Everlast 82i is the way to go, regardless of the extra cash. This is a great machine paired with the PTM80 torch. The Everlast is a Raw voltage only hookup in my opinion. Have one running flawlessly for 5 years now. I also have a 100i that is also great.

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Do you need to use a torch cooling delay with those higher amperage Everlasting units? On their website, It looks like it has that same feature as the Best arc. The Best arc requires a min. Of 3 seconds every time I fire the torch regardless of cut time.

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No, I run a 30-second post-purge.

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Most machines will fire during post flow. The Bestarc machine is the only one I’ve ever seen that requires 3 seconds before it will fire again.

A 30 second post flow is recommended to prevent damage to the torch, but most other machines will fire at any time during that post flow.

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Thank you so much for that clarity. I have an email into Bestarc, a few other plasma cutters in my shopping baskets across the web, and I’m exploring some post file edits in fusion that look like this below to automatically add that cooling delay after each cut.

properties = {

// Cooling dwell inserted right after M5:

coolDelay: 0, // seconds (set to 3.0 for your case)

// Traditional pierce dwell relative to torch-on:

pierceDelay: 0.6, // seconds (typical pierce soak after M3)

// …keep existing properties…

};

propertyDefinitions = {

coolDelay: { title:“Cooling delay after M5 (s)”, type:“number”, range:[0, 30], description:“Dwell immediately after torch-off to allow cooling.” },

pierceDelay: { title:“Pierce delay after M3 (s)”, type:“number”, range:[0, 10], description:“Dwell after torch fires before XY motion.” },

// …keep existing definitions…

};

function torchOff() {

writeBlock(mFormat.format(5)); // M5 - torch OFF

if (properties.coolDelay > 0) {

writeBlock(gFormat.format(4), "P" + secFormat.format(properties.coolDelay));

}

}

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I picked up my Crossfire Pro used and am a bit of a noob. Wanting more juice for thicker cuts, I purchased the BTC800XP recently from Amazon for $617+tax. I read this post while I was trying to make the decision to pull the trigger. Being a bit of a noob, I didn’t understand what this 3 second delay really meant. For the benefit of anyone else considering the Bestarc, I’ll try to put the 3 second delay thing in terms I might have better understood before my purchase.

For example, my wife has me cutting some 24x24 monogram signs for some last-minute family Christmas gifts. As you can imagine, the cut path for the torch involves a lot of pierce/cut sequences. The first pierce/cut works just fine. However, when the torch moves to the 2nd pierce/cut in the pattern, the torch fails to fire and an error pops-up on FireControl software. Granted, you have the option to retry the failed cut and that will work. But, when the torch moves onto the 3rd pierce/cut once again it fails….and will keep failing on every pierce cut after that in the pattern.

This is all due to the 3-second post flow requirement the Bestarc has baked-in internally. Tobias, thank you for your original post and the leg work on the issue. Just wish I could have connected the dots sooner :slight_smile:

Some solutions…

  1. Modifying the FireControl-v1.6.cps file with notepad (it’s just a text file) as Tobias pointed out above. This is pretty fancy. When you load the file with those changes into Fusion 360, you will see the option to add your delay.

  2. Modify the FireControl-v1.6.cps by simply finding this line in the file… //————–After M5
    and then insert this line below that one… writeln(“G4 P3”);
    When you load the modified file in Fusion 360, you won’t see the option, it will simply add the 3 second dwell for every cut.

  3. Or you could leave those files alone and manually add G4 P3 in your gcode files. Like I mentioned before they are just text file that you can open with notepad. Simply look for the lines that are M5 and add G4 P3 on the next line.

  4. Another option is a writing a little console application. Again, since the gcode is a text file a computer program can easily inject the G4 P3 lines into the existing file. The one I wrote was in c#, but you can use just about any programming language.

Unfortunately, these solutions are really more like a work-a-rounds. When I ran my first file with the extra 3 second dwell instructions I was feeling like I made some headway. I thought, this may be ok after all. Then, I decided oh, I’d like to set the post flow dial on the Bestarc to 15 seconds. Bad move, this caused the next pierce/cut to fail again. I dialed it back to 5 seconds and things seemed to keep working. I would wait until I was on the final cut and I would turn up the dial to 15, which worked after the final cut. Now, all I had to do is remember to dial it back to 5 before cutting my next monogram. Hmmm….all I have to do is remember, this, that, and then this…grrr.

By this time, I had spent a full day chasing this issue and my patience had all but run out. So, the Bestarc was delivered on Friday, spent all day Saturday chasing, by Sunday evening it was packed back up, and Monday morning it was at UPS on its’ way back to the Amazon.

I really think if Bestarc can get that one thing resolved, they’d have a nice budget machine contender. I just couldn’t live with the on-going hassle.

Well, while it was a pain going through all of that, it was a great learning experience. It also made me feel much better about my Monday purchase….82i on the way.
I guess, if I would have started with the 82i, I wouldn’t have had all the frustration the Bestarc gave me. Knowing me, I would have spent time wondering if I went overboard and invested too much for my simple shade tree cutting needs. A guilt free 82i decision is a good thing. Guess the tuition paid on this schooling was worth it.

btw, great forum!

p.s.
Tobias, in all my googling I thought for sure I saw a post somewhere that this 3 second thing could be overcome on a manual torch by simply pulling the trigger twice? Hindsight and all, I wonder if someone that still has a Bestarc were to modify their cut file to not include the 3 second dwell, but instead add an extra H1? Wonder if this would mimic pulling the trigger twice?
so like…

G0 Z0.118 (Pierce Height)
M3
G4 P0.5
G1 Z0.059 F3.937 (Cut Height)
H1
H1
G1 ….

eh, could be a pipe dream, guess I need to move on :slight_smile:

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You will love the 82i. I have run one for years without any issues. Raw voltage hookup is my recommendation.

Hey Kegs, thanks for your story and journey with the BCP800. I eventually pushed on support (back in China), and they gave up, saying “it works how the engineers say it should work.” I now have a Hypertherm 45 Sync. I think the Everlast is an excellent option also if consumables are easy to get. I am keeping the Bestarch for manual cuts and gouging as needed. It is still a decent machine for the money, just not for CNC. P.S. Support had me try this and I took a video of the results and sent back to them. That is when they sent a new control board - which did not fix it. That said, my testing was not perfect, but a double trigger was tried and it did not work for me. I have an extra control board if anyone needs it. :slight_smile:

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So by theory this could also perhaps be an issue on the BTC500XP unit since it shares that same 3 second post flow. I’m unsure if you can initiate right after stopping by pulling the trigger again but it seems odd that the couple of youtube videos I have seen on it using a langmuir system failed to mention it at this time. I am still setting up stuff today and have a little scrap metal I can test on and see but thanks for the info on all this.

Is this what I should be entering if this is true for the bestarc btc500xp as well?