Titan 25 first bend

@holla2040 - I am still seeing a lot of extra movement in those bends at the last second of bend.

Also, on the 7 inch piece, is it still flat, or did a bow get introduced?

Might be the camera angle. Some dial indicators mounted to catch any movement other than perpendicular to the die ( X and Y) would be interesting.

That last little slide might be inherent from the extreme gooseneck geometry. I have zero press brake experience. Unfortunately I only have these goosenecks, so I canā€™t compare to other punches.

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That is why I was wondering earlier about the rigidity of the gooseneck. What is the recommended max material thickness or ram tonnage?

ā€¦for those punches

I have less experience than you. I just know that movement = inconsistency or variance. Especially if the movement is in the tool doing the work. Is the punch flexing, or is the ram moving?

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I dont think LS will worry about any of that untill they get all the assembly problems, missing part
problems, oil leaking problems, software problems etc fixed!

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I just received my machine - There are no oil leaks now, since they changed the tube connections and hose grommets into the tank, no more tape, there is a rubber compression plug there now. No bolts or loose screws were found in the box or pallet. The only issue i had was the antibind switch,easlily repaired. No software issues thus far, everything seems to be working well. Iā€™ve bent a few hundred parts already, ss, mild steel, CR and alum - everything is working well. I just wish the dies I paid for would have been included in the box so I can bend the pile of parts sitting on the shop floor. Iā€™ve seen the problems in the first machines, but it appears they are correcting those as they arise. My only complaints are the extreme safety lags and constant button pushing ā€œokā€ and and ā€œagreeā€ to every single prompt. that, and the double tap foot pedal must be fixed to a single tapā€¦that is going to drive me crazy, and any movement other than a perfect double tap, you have to click the screen several times to start overā€¦load program, do you want to run this etc
VERY FRUSTRATING and a waste of time. Iā€™ll have to hack this out of the software somehow, itā€™s completely unnecessary.

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I have never liked the response of touch screens. If your fingers are dirty or too dry the touch screen does not sense the touch correctly, it ignores the tap (capacitive screens). I see that Craig @holla2040 used a mouse when he was doing one of this latest videos. Perhaps he would share if there are any secrets to attaching the mouse and whether the response was more effective.

Here is another device that might be worth getting:
https://a.co/d/fv7MEub

For the double tap of the foot pedal, is there a setting in the system that allows you to change the speed of the double tap? Perhaps someone could answer that question.

(Note: I donā€™t know if the screen is ā€œcapacitiveā€ or ā€œresistiveā€)

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I agree with this, there does seem to be a little too much of this. I believe this mentality comes from a desktop software development background as opposed to machine control HMI development. I ran our HAAS mill yesterday, you press a button and it goes. Thereā€™s no ā€œare you sure?ā€ kind of thing. Thatā€™s what ā€œFeed Holdā€ button is for.

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I just plugged in a mouse and it worked. I also tried a keyboard, didnā€™t have much success with dialog boxes. The developer is looking for touch responses to enter text and numbers, not from a keyboard.

Yes, there are issues with the GUI (there always are). Some of the buttons are clearly to small to reliably hit with fat fingers. The double foot tap is truly a pain in the ass. I had to remove the foot switch protective cover to get my boot in there. It was nearly impossible to get the fast required double tap with boots on.

All these things are minor. I do have a major workflow suggestion cooking for @langmuir-sam. I have to work with the interface a little more and do some research before posting my thoughts.

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thanks for the stylus tip, itā€™s more the software than anything, and having very large phat fingers complicates the problem. wet fingers help a bit, but thatā€™s not healthy and further messes up the screen. some rubber gloves i use are screen friendly. Using a stylus mounted on the end of my finger would be best, because it seems you always need a third hand when holding large/heavy sheet metal parts that are in motion. If the buttons were larger, that would help slightly.

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I also cut the top off the foot pedal, my reg shoe will barely fit and by pressing it over and over, the pedal ends up moving itself under the machineā€¦ I also adjusted the plate inside that activates the micro switch to the smallest possible stroke input. I am going to add a stop to the pedal throw, to make it activate with only 1/8" action. Iā€™ll probably just tap the base on each side and install a machine screw to limit the upstroke of the pedal as much as possible. For me itā€™s a PITA and also a safety issue - pressing a pedal is one thing, but having to press it twice means the operator has to basically balance on the heel while standing on one leg to make it function, also while positioning bulky metal parts and having to have one hand able to hit the screen when the double tap timing cadence is missed. This absolutely must be corrected to a single press function.

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wow I must have small feet, I donā€™t have any trouble with the double tap. Never gave it a thought until you guys started talking about it. :thinking:

I took the top of pedal off, rotated it 180 and put it back on.

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drilled and tapped a 10-24 screw stop, adjusted the flap inside to activate the switch with 1/4" of movement. pedal is 3/4" off the floor now.

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Thanks for the video one day Iā€™ll pull the trigger and buy one of these babies, first I have to put to use my MR-1!

I really enjoyed your video. Nicely done! Just curious to know if you measured the resulting flange length with your digital caliper and if so, what was the dimension compared to your 1.5ā€ back gage ā€œXā€ setting. I am thinking that the resulting flange length when accurately measured would be slightly longer than the ā€œXā€ back gage setting of 1.5ā€. This would be due to the bend deduction calculation which I donā€™t believe is compensated for in the machine controller. Thank you for the video and for taking time to consider my question. I havenā€™t gotten far enough along with my Titan 25 to do any test bends yet. Again, thank you.

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Ha! I was working on video on this this afternoon. Will publish in a couple days.

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Nicely done, Thanks for your time

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Alright Craig, come clean: @DonWilliams was a plant and you had him ask the question about the flange dimension didnā€™t you??? :wink: :rofl:

Well played Don!

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Thanks for another informative video. Keep ā€˜em coming. Am I correct that you entered the outside radius of your bend and entered that dimension into Fusion to get the location of the bend line for a 1.5ā€ flange? Quite impressive how accurately it turned out when you bent it with respect to both angular and dimensional precision. I would say that you have mastered the process.

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