Thinking about a plasma upgrade

Thinking about upgrading plasmas and looking for some opinions on the newer hypertherm machines either a 45xp or 65xp.

Is the sync worth it ?

Can you still get a non sync machine? If so I havent been able to find them for sale through my normal suppliers

How much of an upgrade would it be from an everlast 82i? I’ve run my 82i for a little over a year, I’ve had to replace the circuit board and both cut voltage sensors in it within that time frame due to running into issues being stuck at 23 amps and not piercing.

Consumable life with the 82i is ok but I feel like it could be better. I have a refrigerated air dryer with 2 inline motor gaurd filters, and also a after cooler setup on my compressor. I feel like I’ve got as dry of air as I can get. But I also hear consumable life is way longer with them. Even though considerably higher priced

Cut quality with the 82i has been fine I have no complaints with that, get your settings dialed and it’s cut quality and clean up is great. But I’m interested in the fine cut consumables hypertherm offers. Often when I’m not cutting brackets out thicker plate I’m making signs and I feel like the the fine cut consumables could be a game changer on some of those mostly for fine detail.

Just looking for some general pros and cons and thoughts on it

I have a 45xp (non-sync) with a machine torch. They didn’t have the sync stuff when I bought mine.

If mine broke tomorrow, I would buy another one for my table immediately. That is the best rating I can give.

I have said this before, for the longest time when I got my table, I wondered why people had so many issues or challenges with air pressure, amps, dross etc.. Turns out once I got better at this it was because I had a hypertherm right from the get go and I just followed the speeds and feeds in the manual. It just worked. I don’t need to adjust air or amps.

As far as 65 vs. 45 I assume the 65 is better, but I haven’t had an issue cutting up to 1/2 steel AND since I am a hobbyist, I never have run into a duty cycle problem. On the latter I have cut some 30x30 signs with some busy artwork without stopping.

1 Like

I have a Hypertherm 45xp with hand torch. Works great. $1500 plus shipping. No negotiations. (Sold)

2 Likes

This is something you’ll have to research more on your own as I could give you reasons why you should switch, and reasons why you shouldn’t.

While I’ve never owned an Everlast, I know of tons of people within this forum as well as the FB group posting the many things they cut with them. Like any plasma cutter on a CNC table, it is completely up to the end user to dial in their own cut chart for the best results.

I personally ran a PrimeWeld CUT60 for well over 4 years (2.5 years on a CNC table) and achieved what some people thought were laser-like results. Clean, sharp and squared edges, cuts with no dross, and more. And this was done with the Chinese PTM-60 machine torch using Chinese consumables. I say this as I’m aware of Everlast machines using the same consumable style as well.

Here’s an example -

Seeing as how you own an 82i, you have a larger variant than most which means the ability to cut thicker material, as well as having more headroom for better duty cycles.

I know you mentioned having issues, but maybe someone can chime in and help with that. I don’t know if any of them were related to running DIVIDED as it’s often suggested to run RAW for THC.

So, reasons for sticking with the Everlast would be -

  1. Power
  2. Duty cycle
  3. Already owned (no extra money out of pocket)
  4. Great cut quality achievable by dialing it in

And if your consumable life is really suffering, try to figure out what it really costs you to replace them as often as you do. I would buy my consumables from PrimeWeld so they were ridiculously cheap. My replacement schedule was around 400 pierces per electrode and 400 pierces per nozzle. You may be running into pierce height issues as incorrect pierce heights can quickly damage consumables (even new ones).

This was while running a small, 30 year old Craftsman air compressor at 110v with no refrigerated air dryer.

On the other hand, you could look into buying a different machine torch type that uses different consumables. A lot of people make a clone of the old Hypertherm torch, using T45 consumables as I had one on my PrimeWeld as well when it first came out.

Cut quality was the same (not a bad thing, I was already getting excellent results) whereas consumable life went up quite a bit to an average of 800 pierces per electrode, and 800 pierces per nozzle. This difference in consumable life can be explained due to the use of shielded consumables versus that of the PTM/IPT style torch.

It only went up to reach a thousand per set when I added refrigerated air.

Here’s an example of those cuts -

Now, let’s talking about switching.

I run a Hypertherm 45XP, and I must say things were a little different than I expected. Keep in mind any opinions I share here are from having compared it to my old PrimeWeld CUT60 with UPM-105 torch.

Since I cut 3/16” quite often, I will say I saw practically no difference between both plasma cutters. Nothing stuck out in terms of cut quality, lack of beveling, etc. I did notice that I was able to run a shorter pierce delay, as the Hypertherm was quicker to fully pierce thicker materials.

The only other thing that stood out was being able to cut at a faster speed for all materials at the same 45 amps. With the CUT60, I would run a slower speed at 45 amps, or nearly the same speed as the Hypertherm but at 60 amps. The Hypertherm just seemed to have more “oomph” and that’s due to the actual higher output voltage.

Where the Hypertherm really stood out was on thin material with Finecut consumables.

Whether it’s on stainless steel, aluminum (not recommended, but I use it anyway), and mild steel, both the initial pierce and along the cut path there is a lot less heat soak due to the thinner kerf using Finecut.

Here’s a cutout of the same item, same table, same material but with one item being done with a Mechanized consumable set, and the other being done with Finecut -

And just some random parts cut with Finecut -

So, the reasons to switch to a Hypertherm (in general) would be -

  1. Consumables available everywhere, including locally
  2. Finecut consumables for thinner material
  3. A cut chart to reference (use as a guide, you should still create your own)
  4. Actual output rivals that of competitors rated at the same “amp” rating
  5. American-made

And lastly, the Sync models.

I’ve never owned a Sync, but a personal friend of mine owned and ran a Hypertherm 65Sync like a dog. I am talking 8-9 hours per day, an average of 5 days per week (sometimes 6 or 7), for over a year straight.

He had gone from a Langmuir table and PrimeWeld CUT60 to a 5’ x 10’ STV and Hypertherm 65Sync and business continued to explode.

Most of his work consisted of thinner material like 16 gauge, 14 gauge, and often 11 gauge and his average consumable life was always between 1,800 to 2,200 pierces. Whether it was with the regular Mechanized cartridge or Finecut, he always had great consumable life.

He did often switch to the 45 amp variant cartridge though, due to a known issue with the spring on the electrode becoming stuck on Finecut cartridges. You can read about this on the forums if you so like. Otherwise, that 65Sync was an absolute beast.

The only thing it seemed to not get done as well as a 45XP is anything you’d cut at 45 amps. It’s hard to explain, as the cut quality was still great but it seemed like items had a tiny bit more dross or input a bit more heat into the material (the blueish discoloration due to heat).

Seems there’s a reason why many favor the 45XP over anything else as even Hypertherm engineers will tell you - the 45XP does things at 45 amps better than any other Hypertherm.

The unfortunate thing is, you’ll only be able to find a non-Sync machine in the used market as they were officially discontinued over a year ago with the 45XP being the last model.

So, depending on what you do, you might find value in making the switch.

If I was only cutting thick material all the time, and didn’t care for signage, I may have stuck with my PrimeWeld CUT60. I’m a hobbyist, and I don’t care to make signs so thin material normally sits on my wall unused. I bought my Hypertherm because opportunity arose, and my table was making me more than enough money anyway so I saw it as an “investment in my shop”.

Hope this helps.

2 Likes

Thats a very good read. lots of thoughtful input in there. My main reason for thinking of switching is I’m having an intermittent issue again with my machine limiting out to 23amp. It’s mainly when my machine has sat for a few days without use. The first 15-25 peirces are inconsistent some punch threw no issues and some never punch threw at all. I ran the machine for about a year(with cnc torch on a xr) & (2 years on a hand torch non cnc) with little to no issues then it started not piercing randomly. Contacted everlast and determined the cut voltage sensors and circuit board needed replaced. Machine worked great again for about 4 to 5 months but now its finicky till warmed up. I’m running raw voltage as everyone recommended. My average consumable life is 4 to 500 peirces but I’d like to see a higher life cycle like 7 to 800. 560 was the highest I’ve ever gotten. I usually buy my consumables directly from everlast. I mostly cut 14g and 1/4” plate and I have no complaints on the cut quality. I will say it leaves a great cut with little to no dross. I’m mostly a hobbist and I probably don’t run the table over 8hrs a week and some weeks less than that. I went with the 82i for the option to cut thick materials I do dirt work, excavating and dozing mainly so the option to make brackets for my equipment was a nice option. I find myself mostly cutting 14g but I do burn 4-5 sheets of 1/4 a year usually.

Maybe other users can chime in on a recommendation.

You’re looking at over $4,400 for a 65Sync with machine torch, and while it’s totally worth the price, you need to figure out if it makes sense for you as a “mostly hobbyist”.

I opted for a smaller plasma cutter and a higher-end table instead since my Hypertherm 45XP was only $1,800 (included the $250 kit of consumables) brand new. I did luck out with the machine torch being on sale from Baker’s Gas right when I got my plasma cutter.

2 Likes

@Jake.50

There’s always some good used machines floating around out there.

Try Craigslist or something like that maybe Facebook marketplace

Here’s one for 1200 bucks

https://denver.craigslist.org/tls/d/denver-hypertherm-powermax-45-xp/7901969155.html

1 Like

After some thoughts on it I just decided on picking up another 82i. Everlast is running a Christmas special on them for 1369$ with a 250$ consumables set and a machine cover. With already have my settings fairly dialed in with this machine and also having a little over 100 consumables on hand for it. It wasn’t justifiable at this point to spend the extra money. And also have to relearn a new machine. If i ever decide to be more than a hobbist, I may consider an upgrade if the money’s right. But for now it’s just a hobby for my own convenience.

3 Likes

Love my 82i. Good choice. I’ve had mine working every day for 5 years now. I probably put the VooDoo hex on me now.:grimacing:

3 Likes

I see Amazon (and EBay) has the 82i for <$1400 now, with machine torch. Did you use the OEM machine torch or did you upgrade?

PowerPlasma 82i 80 Amp CNC Plasma Cutter with PTM-80 CNC/Machine Torch with 24 ft. cable and Euro quick-connect central connector - Amazon.com

I just used a factory machine ptm 80 with mine. It will be nice having a spare plug and play machine around plus I also have a hand torch so, I can run one with the extra machine when needed instead of the oxy acetylene torch.

I’ve read enough about people really liking their Everlast, hoping to make some valid points about keeping the machine.

As good as Hypertherm machines are, not everyone really needs one. I decided to drink the kool-aid and see what the fuss is about and really, I could’ve kept my PrimeWeld for much longer than I did.

2 Likes

The fact that you can buy 3-82i’s for one Hypertherm sync of the same size, and buy 25 sets of consumables for 5 sync cartridges. It’s a no-brainer for many. Yes, it cuts slower, but I wasn’t impressed by the $1000 machine torch either. The Everlast has been very good to me.

Just my two cents. The Ford F250 gets me to the same place as the Mercedes SLR.

4 Likes

It definitely gave me some points to think on, which helped me with deciding to stay with the 82i. If I was more than a hobbiest it would be one thing. But price point of 3:1 and consumable cost made it not worth the switch. My 82i has achieved everything I’ve needed it to so far even if it’s a bit slower

1 Like

I have had both. Now the Hypertherm consumables last much longer. Other than that, I will rest my case. Let the hate mail begin….

2 Likes

I’m on the side of logic :rofl:

I’m a hobbyist, so just about all my tools are just grown-up toys.

I suppose I can live with a little less consumable life especially for the cost savings. The way i usually see hypertherm praised online i was expecting a night an day diffrence but some honest feedback made that a bit more clear. I’ll be honest I have a tool addiction… it’s an unresolved issue that I’m forced to live with. If a tool will make my life easier I generally don’t hesitate to buy one. I’ve got a large assortment of tools and I’ve already got a few plans for some new ones this upcoming year

Don’t get me wrong. Hypertherm is the best plasma cutter on the market. I believe it is made totally in New Hampshire, USA.

Like I said, I side on the side of logic.

A Hypertherm is really nice, but I definitely didn’t need it.

I just couldn’t say no to the price though and I had planned to get one anyway when I switched tables.

not really. try pulling a 5 ton trailer with the benz.

the 65 amp hypertherm has a 100% duty cycle at 45 amps but cuts twice as fast at 65 amps.

all depends on your requirements.