THC test is within expected but torch drags metal during cutting

Hi,

The test in firecontrol says the voltage of the torch is within the expected range. The ihs is working. I set the cutting height to 0.05 inches (it was at 0.1 and not cutting well so i changed it). What i just noticed was that the tip of the torch ended up touching the metal during cutting and dragging the metal around so i assume the thc is not working. Can anyone help me?

I made sure the post processor is the correct one from the website for the machines with z axis control. I have actually made some fairly clean cuts, but I had a feeling the thc wasnt working. So, I made the cutting height really small and am trying to cut on a somewhat warped piece to confirm the thc is not working.
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Here is the G code:

(v1.6-sc)
G90 G94
G17
G20 (Units: Inches)
H0
G0 X0.2402 Y-1.5333

G92 Z0.
G38.2 Z-5.0 F100.0
G38.4 Z0.5 F20.0
G92 Z0.0
G0 Z0.02 (IHS Backlash)
G92 Z0.0
G0 Z0.15 (Pierce Height)
M3
G4 P0.5
G1 Z0.05 F50.0 (Cut Height)
H1
G1 F120.0
G3 X0.2583 Y-1.5331 I0.0089 J0.0092 F72.0
G1 X0.3959 Y-1.3923
G1 X0.5765 Y-1.2075 F120.0
G1 X0.7821 Y-0.995
G1 X0.8429 Y-0.931
G1 X0.8754 Y-0.8954
G3 X0.9036 Y-0.8605 I-0.7803 J0.6602
G3 X1.0084 Y-0.6941 I-0.8085 J0.6253 F72.0
G3 X0.9738 Y-0.2307 I-0.4205 J0.2016
G3 X0.8245 Y-0.1041 I-0.4122 J-0.3348
G3 X0.6096 Y-0.0367 I-0.2629 J-0.4614 F120.0
G1 X0.6087 Y-0.0366
G3 X0.4988 Y-0.03 I-0.1089 J-0.8969
G3 X0.1996 Y-0.0796 I0.0241 J-1.0714
G1 X0.1992 Y-0.0798
G3 X0.0415 Y-0.1343 I0.5772 J-1.9244
G1 Y-0.2974
G2 X0.2684 Y-0.2052 I0.5483 J-1.024
G2 X0.4613 Y-0.167 I0.3214 J-1.1162 F72.0
G2 X0.7946 Y-0.2816 I0.0548 J-0.3824
G2 X0.7959 Y-0.2831 I-0.0216 J-0.0208
G2 X0.8449 Y-0.6599 I-0.2701 J-0.2267
G2 X0.7798 Y-0.773 I-0.5833 J0.2606
G2 X0.7401 Y-0.826 I-1.28 J0.9192
G2 X0.6704 Y-0.9088 I-1.2402 J0.9722 F120.0
G1 X0.6461 Y-0.9357
G1 X0.6456 Y-0.9362
G1 X0.5687 Y-1.0172
G1 X0.5684 Y-1.0175
G1 X0.4538 Y-1.1349
G1 X0.1778 Y-1.4147
G1 X0.03 Y-1.5663
G1 Y-1.7198
G1 X1.0613
G1 Y-1.5841
G1 X0.2797
H0
M5
G0 Z1.0
M5 M30
(PS120)

Thanks,

The black cable on the vim is in the PV output and for the raw voltage cables the red one is connected to the clamp and in the clamp hole on the vim so the torch cable is in the correct spot as well.

I checked continuity with the slats or whatever on the table to the bolts that the cover on the control box and there was none. Also checked from the usb port to the bolts that hold the cover on the control box. I am not sure if there are any other places I should check.

When you did the test, did the 3 torch fire events happen? What was the voltage reading it ended the test with? Should have been somewhere between 130v to 170v.

Make a test cut with the THC off. Does the torch tip still drag?

If not, make a second cut with the THC off. Turn the THC on during the cut and see if it maintains the correct height.

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THC may not have time to react on a small, warped piece of metal.

In addition to Sticks questions, you really need to measure your actual cut height instead of guessing.
Run this gcode file. It will cycle the IHS and then go to cut height of 0.06 inches (with the addition of 0.02 Backlash/springback) and stop without firing. Measure the distance between the torch tip and the metal.
cut height test.tap (224 Bytes)

The other thing is perhaps the contacts of the IHS switch (in the z-axis assembly) is sticking. Move the z-axis carriage up and down by hand and watch the IHS switch signal. Does it seem to react in an ‘expected’ manner?

You should see this light go on when you lift the z-axis assembly:

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I am busy but I will do this soon and get back to you. Thank you.

I got busy but I will do this soon and get back to you. Thank you.

It is not that small or warped. About 2’ x 2’ and maybe .5 - 1 inch of warping.

The files results in a distance from the torch tip to the metal of 1/16 on completely flat metal, but if the metal is slightly bowed and it springs back up after the torch tip pushes it down then the distance is less than 1/32. Do I need to increase the Backlash/springback?

The IHS light does come on when that part is moved manually and at the beginning of a cut.

Your measurements indicate that your system is in step with the IHS. Since it is having a habit of dragging, I would probably set the cut height at 0.06 vs the 0.05 that you have.

Have you found that the 0.05 gave a better result with test cuts? Or is this just a number you generally use?

Then I would suggest doing a test cut with your shielding glasses on so you can watch the torch and also look at the computer screen. Look for these lights to be flashing as THC reacts to the cut:
THC lights
If you are seeing the lights flashing to direct the torch “DOWN” and it hits the metal then you know the THC is not getting the correct voltage reading.

You might try cutting with Nominal Voltage setting for the THC. This removes the variable of THC taking its own readings to determine what the voltage should be. To use “Nominal Voltage” you simply type the voltage in the settings for THC:

Then try what Sticks suggested: Cutting without THC. What is the results?

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The torch did fire 3 times and the voltage was 97.8, but it said this was within the expected range.

with the thc off the torch drags if the metal is not flat.

So I assume that it is dragging “more” if the THC is off?

I would try different settings with the sample size:

If you think your system is reacting too slow, decrease the sample size.

If you think you system is making changes when it shouldn’t, I would increase the sample size.

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I am trying all this stuff!!

Honest advice. All I seen on that plasma cutter says high frequency. I would confirm that it isn’t. You may end up replacing the control board if it is a high frequency plasma cutter.

That is probably why you are having issues with the cut height.

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I have had no troubles besides when I added the thc (considering i expect the tip to drag on warped metal if i dont have a thc). I dont know if i have checked that everything is isolated well enough.

I understand your frustration. The easiest thing to check is compatibility.

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I am not trying to sound frustrated. I really appreciate all of your help.

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It is never going to work with the HF plasma cutter you have.

You need to get a better plasma cutter like a Everlast52i or 62i, Primeweld cut 60, Lotos 5500 that is non-HF.

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And @Tryin we rely on @mechanic416 for just this kind of information and more. He “knows” plasma cutters inside and out.

He has been fixing them for decades. Just like any car mechanic, they know the cars that are reliable and are good performance and value for the money. George can be counted on to give a fair appraisal.

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That sucks but thank you! I willl be back!

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Scour ebay. You might even get lucky and pick up a used hypertherm 45 amp and up for as much as you would pay for a new everlast. I picked up a used hypertherm 1650 which is 100 amp for $1200.00. Between that and a new machine torch that I bought I’m only out $2,000.

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