Pierces and Cuts Fine, Except for First Line

See picture below. The program appears to pierce fine, and cuts for a little before it stops penetrating the material (red.) As soon as it turns the first corner it cuts fine again (green) until it makes it back to the first line, and stops penetrating the material again. The green cuts are the best quality of been able to get so far- Anyone have an idea what could cause this?


Details:

  • Hypertherm Powermax 30XP on 240V
  • 1/8" mild steel
  • 25A
  • 1s pierce delay
  • .03" cut height
  • 55ipm
  • IHS and THC on
program
(v1.6-af)
(Machine)
(  vendor: Langmuire Systems)
(  model: Crossfire Pro)
(  description: Plasma Table)
G90 G94
G17
G20
H0

(2D Profile1)
G0 X12.1747 Y-0.0455
G92 Z0.
G38.2 Z-5. F100.
G38.4 Z0.5 F20.
G92 Z0.
G0 Z0.04 (IHS Springback + Backlash)
G92 Z0.
G0 Z0.15 (Pierce Height)
M3
G4 P1.
G0 Z0.03  (Cut Height)
H1
G3 X12.1147 Y0.0145 I-0.06 J0. F55.
G1 X0.29 F55.
G2 X0.272 Y0.022 I0. J0.0255
G1 X0.022 Y0.272
G2 X0.0145 Y0.29 I0.018 J0.018
G1 Y2.54
G2 X0.022 Y2.558 I0.0255 J0.
G1 X1.522 Y4.058
G2 X1.54 Y4.0655 I0.018 J-0.018
G1 X11.1037
G2 X11.1292 Y4.04 I0. J-0.0255
G1 Y2.0655
G1 X11.2332
G1 Y4.04
G2 X11.2587 Y4.0655 I0.0255 J0.
G1 X12.8213
G2 X12.8468 Y4.04 I0. J-0.0255
G1 Y2.0655
G1 X12.9508
G1 Y4.04
G2 X12.9763 Y4.0655 I0.0255 J0.
G1 X22.54
G2 X22.558 Y4.058 I0. J-0.0255
G1 X24.058 Y2.558
G2 X24.0655 Y2.54 I-0.018 J-0.018
G1 Y0.29
G2 X24.058 Y0.272 I-0.0255 J0.
G1 X23.808 Y0.022
G2 X23.79 Y0.0145 I-0.018 J0.018
G1 X12.1147
H0
M5
G0 Z1.

M30
(PS55)

Looks like the work clamp is not on work piece.

After I took those pictures, I moved the clamp from a slat to the workpiece and retried the program with approximately the same results. Can you just start a program over like that?

Try a longer pierce delay. Hypertherm likes longer delays… Also 25amps is on the low side. 30 amps at 75 psi.

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I use an Everlast 82i. So my recommendation are just a guess. Some of these Hypertherm guys can dial you in.

amps are way to low…1/8" should be at around 35amps
next…how do you know it is cutting at .03?..it is too low…it should be at .06 when measured…setting it at .06 in CAM does not mean it is .06…you need to measure it and adjust for any difference.

also as noted clamp should always be on material being cut.
check consumables…

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.03" cut height seems very low, but that probably isn’t the main issue here. It looks like the electrode is burned up.

Weird, I can’t find in my notes where/why I switched from 30 listed in the manual to 25- I’ll try 30A again.

I suppose I don’t know that it’s cutting at .03, but then again I’m not sure what reason I would have to be skeptical about it since that’s what IHS is supposed to be taking care of (right?)

I’d previously tried .06 (don’t recall the other settings) but the results were worse. I tried .03 based off a recommendation from Jim Colt in this Plasma Spider post

I suggest using a pierce height of .150" for all cutting (Fine Cut and regular consumables) and use the cut speeds as listed in the operators manual. Cut height with both sets of consumables worked best for me at about .030" (needs to be closer than the other systems in Hypertherms line for best results).

EDIT: Spelling

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The consumables aren’t new but should be pretty darn close to it. I’ll definitely swap them out if I can’t get any of the other settings to work

Took another swing at it and got the best cuts I’ve had by a long shot. There’s some backside dross- I’ll see if .06" cut height helps with that. Used these settings:

  • 55ipm
  • 30A
  • .03" cut height
  • 1s pierce delay
  • Clamp on work


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Go faster try 60 or 70 ipm.

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careful…your torch height is actually set by your CAM software…then firecontrol maintains that height based on voltage readings…
I ran a straign line and stopped my torch mid cut…measured it…was actuall 0.08…so I adjusted my settings in my CAM software to make it a measured 0.06.

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Interesting comment toolboy.
The machine senses initial torch height by making that simple mechanical contact switch on z axis ( XR machine) . We will check actual cut height as you mentioned. Thanks Ken

I wonder what the cause of that is. Do you find that the offset is consistent regardless of the height programmed in CAM? I’ll have to measure mine as well

There are a couple of factors I can think of.

Actual IHS backlash other than assumed.
Meterial spring back other than assumed.

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@autotech I have a Pro table and have the same Z axis system as you…the initial contact sets an approximate height of the torch for pierce function…then it relies on your programmed cut height and then maintains the programmed height by voltage sensing.

@The_Wolf_of_Walmart you are dealing with 0.01 of an inch…and a mechanical system to maintain the height…the height can change from the constant up and down movement…so regular checks and adjustments of this helps…

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@toolboy, On the Pro table can the touch off switch contact the coupling if Z is jogged full up? or did they change something on the XR machines Z ? see my latest post had to repair our touch off switch and add a hard stop.

not sure I will check…but something tells me they are both the same

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Interesting if THC is turned off then pierce and cut height is controlled off that touch off switch I suspect. I thought that was the way it works with THC as well and THC only adjusts based on amperage during the cut. My thoughts were Z touch off off breaks continuity it zeros the cut height step count and moves up X steps to pierce HT then adjusts steps for +/- cut height. During the cut TCH modifies cut ht from baseline based on amps.