50 amp or 60 amp circuit for Everlast 82i + Crossfire Pro?

Hello all. New user here that just got my everlast 82i plasma cutter and I’m just about to purchase my crossfire pro table, but I have a question prior.

I am currently in the process of upgrading the electrical service in order to effectively run the machinery. I spoke to Everlast and the technician advised using a 60 amp circuit due to the max inrush being 55 amps.

I know the 82i + Langmuir systems is a very common build and I was hoping someone with the same set up could chime in.

Do you have a 50 amp circuit or 60 amp circuit? If 50 amp, do you ever encounter any issues during prolonged use or on start up?

I ask because the 82i comes with a 6-50P plug and the technician advised a 60 amp circuit.

I understand this isn’t directly related to a Langmuir question but I’d be asking here for help getting my new table set up soon anyways and yall are just so knowledgeable and experienced with this that any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance!

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Consider the 60 amp circuit. This is a no-brainer.

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The key difference between a 50 amp and a 60 amp 220-volt single-phase circuit primarily lies in the ampacity (the maximum amount of current the circuit can safely handle) and the electrical components designed to support that current.

Ampacity - 50 Amp Circuit: A 50 amp circuit is rated to handle up to 50 amps of current. It uses thicker wire (typically 6 AWG copper or 4 AWG aluminum) and a 50 amp breaker, which limits the amount of current that can flow through the circuit to a maximum of 50 amps.

60 Amp Circuit: A 60 amp circuit is designed to carry up to 60 amps of current. It uses even thicker wire (typically 4 AWG copper or 2 AWG aluminum) and is protected by a 60 amp breaker, which allows the circuit to safely handle higher loads.

Breaker Size and Safety - The circuit breaker is designed to protect the wiring and prevent overheating or fire. A 50 amp breaker trips if the current exceeds 50 amps, while a 60 amp breaker will trip at 60 amps. A higher amp breaker means a higher capacity to safely handle electrical loads, but it also requires properly sized wiring and outlets to ensure safety.

Socket and Plug Compatibility - The 6-50 plug is a common plug used for both 50 amp and 60 amp circuits in certain applications, such as electric dryers or welders. However, while the plug itself might be the same in both cases, the outlet and circuit breaker must match the wire size and the load you intend to run.

If you’re using a 50 amp circuit, the plug and receptacle should match, and you should never plug a 60-amp load into a 50-amp circuit.

If you’re using a 60 amp circuit, you would typically use a different type of plug or receptacle, like a 6-60 (which allows for a higher amperage rating), depending on local codes and the specific application.

Wire Gauge and Safety Considerations - A 60 amp circuit requires a thicker wire gauge to safely carry the additional current without overheating. If you attempt to run a 60 amp load on a 50 amp circuit, the smaller wire might overheat, increasing the risk of electrical fires. Similarly, a 50 amp circuit might not provide enough capacity for appliances or equipment that require more power, leading to potential overheating or damage.

50 amp circuit is rated for 50 amps of current, typically with 6 AWG wire, while a 60 amp circuit is rated for 60 amps with 4 AWG wire.

The 6-50 plug is used for both types of circuits, but you must ensure that the rest of the circuit components (breaker, wire, and load) are properly matched to prevent overloading or fire hazards.

Always ensure that the breaker size, wire size, and plug type are compatible with the power requirements of your equipment.

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The electrical code does cover this topic.

The 82i specs

Maximum Inrush Amps (I1MAX) @ 240V 55A

Maximum Rated Effective Amps (I1EFF) 43A

" 630.11 Ampacity of Supply Conductors

The ampacity of conductors for arc welders shall be in accordance with 630.11(A) and (B).

(A) Individual Welders

The ampacity of the supply conductors shall be not less than the I 1eff value on the rating plate."

630.12 Overcurrent Protection

Overcurrent protection for arc welders shall be as provided in 630.12(A) and (B). Where the values as determined by this section do not correspond to the standard ampere ratings provided in 240.6 or where the rating or setting specified results in unnecessary opening of the overcurrent device, the next higher standard rating or setting shall be permitted.

(A) For Welders

Each welder shall have overcurrent protection rated or set at not more than 200 percent of I 1max.

As per code the plug or ( means of disconnect )

630.13 Disconnecting Means

A disconnecting means shall be provided in the supply circuit for each arc welder that is not equipped with a disconnect mounted as an integral part of the welder.

The disconnecting means shall be a switch, circuit breaker, or listed cord-and-plug connector, and its rating shall be not less than that necessary to accommodate overcurrent protection as specified in 630.12.

Because your using this on a CNC consider your Duty cycle at 100%

I am more comfortable with the Canadian Code by I think this is the right information .

There is No opinion about it ,the correct path is outlined in the code above. This is also the code article referenced in the Everlast manual

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And @Mozzy Welcome to the Forum

Everlast is a single phase 240v. Hypertherm can be bisexual - at least my G1650 is - 3ph 240 or 480.

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Eaton Wiring 60 Amp Power Receptacle, NEMA 14-60R, 3-Pole

Eaton Wiring 9460N

SKU ETW-9460N

Eaton Wiring 60 Amp Power Receptacle, NEMA 14-60R, 3-Pole

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Eaton Wiring 60 Amp Power Receptacle, NEMA 14-60R, 3-Pole Features:

  • Is ideal for any high amperage industrial or commercial power application
  • Compatible with #4-#10 AWG wire
  • Best used with copper or aluminum wire

RoHS Compliant
This item will be tough to find locally. Just not wire the neutral. But I would for later use on something else. Obviously, you would need to replace the plug on the everlast machine to match.
I personally have never seen an in-rush of 55 amps on my 82i, never low 40s .

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If you can afford it, it never hurts to have the overhead. Go with 60a, 4AWG cu wire (because thermal expansion w/ aluminum sucks), and don’t look back. You’ll have the overhead in case your duty cycle runs you over rated current.

People call 240v “single” phase, but it’s really “split” phase, where the two waveforms are 180° opposed in their cycle (ie, when one is at 240v, the other is -240v).

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As such, the “current” of the plasma cutter is “split” onto each voltage wave (2 bus bars in your breaker panel, ea carrying 120v). The Everlast 82i is rated to “pull” 40a on ea wave/line (at a specific duty cycle), so at MINIMUM you’ll need a twin 40a breaker (and 8awg cu wire) for a total current of 80a. However, due to duty cycles, better to have the overhead, as stated above.

If you can afford the dual pole 60a breaker and necessary cu and plugs, go for it.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-CH-60-Amp-120-240-Volts-2-Pole-Circuit-Breaker-CH260/100208375

My Everlast 102i will tilt the scales at about 74 amps in rush. I have an 80 amp breaker on it. It has an industrial 4-pin 100 amp plug and Recep: $ 400 plus crazy money for anything over 60 amps.

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Looking at the code a this part of code it seems like a we can use conductors sized for not less then 45 or 50 amps.

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Most 50 amp breakers can handle 15% to 20% more amps then rated for or around 60 amp inrush for a few seconds. This is when the plasma cutter, welder, electric motor, etc. first starts. Also this is at max output. If your say cutting at 60 amps with a 80 amp plasma cutter the inrush is way below a 50 amp breaker. So unless your running your 80 amp plasma cutter at 80 amps cutting 3/4" plate for more then the duty cycle then you should never trip a 50 amp breaker.

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I couldn’t agree more. @mechanic416